6R80 behind a FE Engine

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    I have decided to install a 2012 or newer 6R80 6 speed in my 428 ci 63 Galaxie. I know it is not a Ranchero but anybody with a FE engine might be interested in this swap.
    I researched a upgrade over my C-6 because I need the low rear gear and still wanted some decent mileage on the high way.
    After searching for over a year I think the 6R80 is the right choice for me as they are running behind twin turbo's at 1425 HP with the stock tran's.
    I will have all my machine work done in December and will start the conversion then.
    If there is any interest in this swap I will be able to post picture's when I start the swap.
    Greg
     
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    Wow. That will be a very tall order, so I wish you the best of luck. Having something that will keep your RPMs down below 2200 for highway cruising will go a long way to preserving that FE, even with the weight of your Galaxie. It'll be interesting to see what the MPG numbers shake out to be.
     
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    Yeah
    I am really interested about the mileage. I will be running it at 12-1+ compression with the old Ford racing D cam with a 433 or 456 rear gear.
    Not a real daily driver but something to have some fun with on the weekends.
    After looking at cost for all the upgrades manual and auto I decided on the 6R80 because the conversion cost was less then going to a TKO 600.
    I am deciding whether to buy a totaled Mustang to get the wiring harness and ECU but then I would have to get rid of the 5.0 and other parts so I might just but the tranny and quick 6 controller.
    The tranny will cost $585 to 1200 depending on mileage, adapter is $1675.00, controller is $1250.
    I will have to fab up a crossmember and hope I don't have to cut into my trans hump any.
    I had the 6R80 in my 12 Mustang GT and loved it and I really abused it on the street and drag's with no problems unlike the MT-82 in my 13 Boss 302 which gave me trouble for the first 12,000 miles until I figured out the problem.
    The car has been a race car since birth with less then 22,000 documented miles on it. No radio-heater sound deaden er etc.
    I did remove the roll bar so I could install an interior in it for a little comfort.
    Greg
     
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    I found the Brendtsen Speed Gems adapter for $1675 and they have a nice video on U tube about the install. A real easy install. The 6r80 is smaller and shorter then the C-6 by the way.
    Decided to order a used 6r80 out of a F-150 because they have more clutches then the Mustang GT which has more then the Eco Boost engine.
    Us shift has a self learning controller for $1250.00 with a built in trans break so I will go that way.
    Greg
     
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    Received my 6R80 yesterday and took some pictures of it next to the C6 I have out of my 71 Ranchero 429.
    I don't have a FE c6 to compare with.
    I have decided to install the 6r80 in both the 429 71 Ranchero and my 63 428 Galaxie.
    Anyway here are the pictures for those interested.
    Won't let me upload the pictures, says they are to big.
    sorry.
    Greg
     
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    turned down my camer pixels. Lets see it it works now.
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    Went to Bendtsens site and the FE adapter is $950.00 the 429-460 is $1675.00. The 428 to AOD adapter works on the 6R80 but you have to tell them when you order so they send you the right flywheel etc. At least that is what I understand from the u-tube video.
    Greg
     
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    Thanks for pics and info Greg.Interesting upgrade!
     
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    You are welcome.
    As soon as I can get some help I am going to put the 6r80 on my tranny jack and set it in the 71 tunnel to see if I need to make any mods to get it to fit.
    I will have to guess a little on where it will sit in the car cause the engine is still on the stand.
    Greg
     
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    A guy on another forum posted pictures of his 6R80 install on his 70 torino. There is room for it to fit with no mods to the trans tunnel. Good to know.
    He goes by Chvslayer on the other forum.
    Greg
     
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    On what forum was that?
     
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    It was on the 460.com site.
    One thing I noticed is the guy used a 6r80 out of a v-6 instead of a v8. His tranny is a little tilted and I found out that the v6 trans will be tilted a little but the v8 trans will be level.
    Hope this helps.
    Greg
     
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    What controler are you going to use? Can you post link?


    Thanks
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    I will us the US Shift quick shift 6.
    www.usshift.com.
    I ordered 2 of them, one for the 71-429 and one for my 428 63 Galaxie.
    Greg
     
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    What are you going to do with the speedometer?
     
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    I converted my speedo housing to digital so wasn't worried about it.
    I called the quick shift people and they said that Dakota Digital makes a converter box part # ECD-100 that will let you use the cable drive with the 6r80.
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    Oh, man, shades of Texas Instruments! That cluster looks very cool, in a retro Seventies calculator/wristwatch kind of way!
     
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    Thank you
    I could not find a new circuit board for mine at the time so I thought what the hell if I screw it up I will keep using my tach for a speedo.
    I am pleased with it and it really wasn't that hard to do. Just took some time to figure out how to do it.
    Greg
     
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    The MT-82 was something of a disaster of epic proportions.
    1. It was never designed for an engine making either 300 or 400hp, it originally came out of a European Ford Transit van and Land Rover. They have a horrid reliability record over there (from what I'm told), to the extent where owners are supposedly swapping in...automatics in order to get rid of the Getrag MT-82. And for whatever reason, Ford thought it would be a great idea to switch production to China...and install that failure-prone beast behind 300 and 400hp engines.
    2. Technicians at three nearby dealerships were suggesting a 2-in-3 failure rate early on.
    3. I think that the first problems started popping up around Winter 2010, when the weather began dropping below freezing. The transmissions never shifted right after that.
    4. I drove one that went into bind if you attempted to accelerate even slightly while making a left-hand turn.
    5. I seem to recall that there were some 80+ revisions by the time the MT-82 hit the 2014 model year.
    6. There was a small online army of fan boys who were attempting to crush the souls of anyone who dared complain about their MT-82. I recall being on one forum, following one such abusive fan boy which I noticed was only active between 9-5 in the Central time zone, and he was nowhere to be found at any other time, but while he was on the forum, he and others spewed out a constant stream of crap against people who didn't love their 6-speeds, to the point where it became painfully obvious that these people had to be doing nothing but sitting in a cubicle farm all day, being paid to type this stuff out.
    If you see someone perpetually posting crap in a message board or comment section, almost as if they have all the free time in the world to be doing that, they just might be getting paid to do so.
    7. I'm a bit curious as to what you did to get your MT-82 to work correctly, most performance Mustang outfits consider them to be disposable, although I've seen that a good shifter goes a long way to curing their shifting ills.
     
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    What I did to cure the problem was accidental.
    The clutch would go to the floor when doing a power shift and I all most got run over by a semi while merging onto the turnpike.
    After taking it to the Ford dealership numerous times and scaring their shop manager with a banzi run I decided to replace it with a TKO 600.
    I decided i was going to replace the tranny anyway and starting raceing it and power shifting at 7000 RPM. While doing this one day I was going into third and heard a noise that sounding like a loose ball bearing in the trans that was grinding.
    I aborted that run and was so pissed off I decided to keep running this until I blew the tranny.
    Well after that I never had a problem with it again and I really abused it.
    I don't know what happened or what fixed it but did find some metal in the tranny oil when I changer it.
    This happened at 12,000 miles and when I sold the car with 22,000 miles it was working perfect.
    Greg
     
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