Discussion in 'Firearms' started by Huevos, Mar 28, 2018.
Well......can't argue with that, cheers for clearing things up!.....
The Second Amendment starts "A well regulated......." It's well past the time to do that!
To expand on that... A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Regulated means trained. If you look into the roots of the word you will understand how it evolved into they way it is used today.
Another thing to note. There are several different versions of the second amendment, but there is no second amendment to the Constitution.
The history of why the amendments starts at 11 even though there are 12 articles at the end of the constitution (The right to keep and bear arms is the article of the fourth) is worth looking up. Had the situation been more orderly, the 11th amendment would have been the first.
None of the 'Bill of Rights' are amendments, they are part of the body of the original Constitution.
If we are going to analyze every word, "infringe" means to encroach, limit or undermine something by action. Given the meaning of "regulated" as pertains to Militia, "infringe" in the sentence provided by Skip "the right of the people to keep and bear arms".... wouldn't the two parts of the same sentence contradict one another if "regulated" were taken to mean banning or restricting anyone's right to keep and bear arms, which shall not be infringed?
I'm neither pro guns nor anti guns, but it always interests me to see how different people interpret different things, usually in such a manner as to fit what they have already decided they want to believe. Nobody on this forum or anywhere can say definitely what the founding fathers were thinking when they penned that line. All we can do is interpret the words and try not to attach our prejudices to the meaning. Yet everyone is an expert on what the founding fathers meant.
Isn't the whole thing slightly ambiguous for a reason? Ambiguity gives the States some latitude in interpretation and subsequently some authority within their state so that, for instance, gun laws in Texas differ from gun laws in California, right?
you go CBOLT !!!!!
Cbolt, that is only true if you change the meaning of words. As the word was defined at the time;
"Regulated" has an Obsolete definition (b) "Of troops: Properly disciplined" and then "discipline" has a definition (3b) applying to the military, "Training in the practice of arms and military evolutions; drill.
We know exactly what the founders intended, they wrote extensively about it at the time and recorded the debates they had about issues.
Words change meaning over time, but we have access to the dictionaries that were used when the document was written.
We know exactly what they meant and why they wrote what they did, and anyone can know these things as the information is readily available at libraries or on the internet.
If we knew exactly what was meant, then why are there so many arguments? Just sayin'
I bet PaulDobbin has a different interpretation of the exact same sentence as you, or even me.
I'll also bet some folks interpret the line to mean a person's right to bear arms is dependent upon, or directly proportional to, the need for a militia.
Again, I am neither pro gun nor anti gun.
People argue that the world is flat.
I guess the shape of the earth is ambiguous.
Ok. I'm about 110% sure that everyone here is smart enough to know the earth is round
Not so sure. Any members here support the steam rocket guy? I understand he go up what? 1500 feet?
As an added kicker, the militia at the time was pretty much defined as any able-bodied adult male under the age of 40.
And other than a few city dwellers, most males had and knew how to use long guns, though they were exceedingly expensive, being mostly made by hand.
The federalist papers shed only a little light on firearms.
Steam rocket guy may not have proved his point about the world being flat but after his 1500' wanna be trip into the stratosphere.... The landing sure flattened his rocket.
I was referring to the people on this forum.
Some here have some really strange ideas. Back when BB would discuss some of his it was a hoot.
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All I know is NO ONE's touching my throwing stars!!!! No one!
In those days, a "well Regulated" meant that everyone had one. From the 1600's until just prior to the Revolution, when England tried to/began to, confiscate weapons. It was a requirement, in most states, that all able bodied men aged 16 or older have a rifle, and adequate powder and shot for the defense of the township. And the Governor could send his men to inspect your stores to ensure compliance.
Even after the Revolution was won, and the Army was dissolved. It was still required that a firearm be readily available for all able bodies men.
The important part of the Second Amendment, is "being necessary to the security of a free State"... Is the defense of the Constitution, and maintaining the Rights of ALL Americans, and the freedoms that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights provides.
We have evolved beyond that Pony.
Now every Hipster is required to have flowers and a latte.
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