Guys, we have folks here who do not need to see the brand of sparring recently exhibited, i.e., "fags, and the like", etc. One very implicit contributor here is 17. If I were him, I would navigate elsewhere. Not because I wasn't "worldly", but rather because I was seeing grown men (?) acting out ridiculous stances. I for one, see no real need to promote a circus-like atmosphere in a car forum. I made a crass remark awhile back, regarding a member "crawling back into the woodwork". A mistake, sure. But was it a mistake to apologize to the individual? I did. No change in stance resulted. Perhaps I miss the gist of overall inherency here: maybe it's a gay forum, in disguise, after all? If not, why all this ridiculous double-meaning innuendo, endlessly? To provide comedy? It ain't funny. If the majority disagrees with me, I'm gone. I like the place. I dislike recent tones of double-speak, over and over. mo.