Trust No One

[BlueOvals]

Doctor Terrorists? And why not. This should make your trust no one from that region of the world or that nationality.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/03/london.investigation/index.html

It's not about Middle Eastern poverty or our imperialist policies or even the decadent society image that we, thanks to Hollywood, project. It's a war of ideolgy, a Jihad, continued straight line, but with some hiatus, from Mohammad in the 7th Century to today, and there are, unfortunately, no middle grounds in this, all of Islam is our enemy. Just in case there was any doubt, check your history for their previous examples of "tolerance" of other religions when they had a powerful empire. It's them or us, we can't be friends; we have a better chance with atheists in China and Russia. Today, the sleeper cells, world wide, are full of doctors, lawyers, and Indians from India, waiting for the chance to strike terror as in the UK, where I will be fortunate enough to travel next month. I go with new eyes, to witness first hand the infestation that has been allowed to happen under liberal regimes, with newspapers, that still rediculously insist upon calling them "Asians". They are all the enemy and all need to be targeted, first for expulsion from our Western countries, then for elimination on the battle fields of today and tomorrow, where ever they are.

[351driver]

One is from Iraq. Imagine that. I thought the liberals had assured us that there were no terrorists in Iraq, only patriots interested in protecting their home land.

Yes, this really does make it difficult to trust any of them. I hadn't really consider people from India as a threat before, but it looks like we should be worried about them, too.

[burninbush]

Doctor Terrorists? And why not. This should make your trust no one from that region of the world or that nationality. >blue

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Welcome to the new world of asymmetrical warfare.

Thanks to the admin preaching fear for 6 years, all those dumb Arabs have to do today is suggest that you can't trust anybody, and lo, that is the outcome. They have beaten us -- if you buy that.

This last bunch didn't even have to set off any bombs -- they just showed up with some non-working hardware.

You could probably cripple air travel in this country today with just a few phone calls.

[Marauder359]

Originally posted by burninbush:
You could probably cripple air travel in this country today with just a few phone calls. Well, we can certainly conclude that the rank and file wackos actually in the US are now the B or C team, because were they competent terrorists we'd certainly be in a far different place than we are now. I mean, if you were a terrorist, wouldn't you have done a lot more than they have to actually attack in the US? Look at the DC area snipers to see what little action can result in massive disruption. What these idiots don't get is that it's a whole lot easier to destroy our society than what they're making it by only employing catastrophic targets. A couple car bombs in some tunnels around the country, a few snipers, a bomb on a refinery here and there, and we'd be sitting in the dark, naked, legs curled to our chest mewling like little babies as we rock back and forth mumbling rants to ourselves about how we wished they were still fighting us in Iraq instead of here.... but they aren't. They're clearly idiots and not nearly as good at terrorism as almost any of us would be, but still.......

Does that mean because they haven't done those things that we should accept Edwards' line that we're not in a war against terrorism and that that's just a bumper sticker? Hardly.

[burninbush]

Does that mean because they haven't done those things that we should accept Edwards' line that we're not in a war against terrorism and that that's just a bumper sticker? Hardly. >marauder

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The first thing I'd like people to understand is one big fallacy the admin is still pushing daily: "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here." What bunk.

Doubters could ask England and Spain how well that logic has worked for them.

And that brings the entire Iraq invasion into question, and certainly questions the ongoing occupation. We're just making fresh terrorists and giving them live-fire training exercise.

[351driver]

"The first thing I'd like people to understand is one big fallacy the admin is still pushing daily: "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here." What bunk. "

I guess you are entitled to your theories just like everyone else, BB. I can't prove you wrong, but you sure can't prove that you are right. Like I said, it's just your theory.


I'm really wondering if they didn't choose this particular timing because of the change in leadership in England. Maybe they hope it will scare the new Prime Minister into making some drastic changes. Maybe, and maybe not, but it seemed to work in Spain.

I agree with you, Marauder. They could create havoc in many ways that they have not tried so far. I hope they don't figure it out anytime soon, beacuse it could do serious damage to the economy if nothing else.

[burninbush]

I guess you are entitled to your theories just like everyone else, BB. I can't prove you wrong, but you sure can't prove that you are right. Like I said, it's just your theory.>denny

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It's not theoretical that both England and Spain were coalition members who had ground troops with ours in Iraq -- and both have since had terror attacks that succeeded. So there's the proof it didn't work for them, didn't prevent their terror attacks.

It won't work for us, either -- we've just been lucky so far that those we have discovered are so inept.

[BlueOvals]

So, BB, we just run and hide? Charles Martel, the king of the Franks did not do that in 732 at Poitiers. He confronted them and saved Western Europe from Islam, for a while. Now it is the USA's turn. You still don't get it, we are on the verge of genocide, and I for one want them to be all dead, not us!!! I see no other way than the eventual "green glazing" of that whole f'ing part of the world and when it happens, the wholieand say "good riddance, you f'ing Arab maniacs and your GD fairy tales you call a religion"!

[burninbush]

So, BB, we just run and hide? Charles Martel, the king of the Franks did not do that in 732 at Poitiers. He confronted them and saved Western Europe from Islam, for a while. Now it is the USA's turn. You still don't get it, we are on the verge of genocide, and I for one want them to be all dead, not us!!! >blue

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Well -- in reverse order, I doubt we're really at the threshold of genocide [I assume you're speaking of Arabs vs. white caucausians ??? or just Americans??? Not sure that qualifies as genocide] -- anyway we have far more weapons than they have, if it comes to real war.

Re your 'just run and hide' -- no, but we should shift 95% of effort to defense. We have gained zip by invading Iraq.

[75 Squire]

burnin I think he is talking more along the lines of arabs/islam vs. the Western World. Meanwhile China is sitting there licking there chops. We most deffinetly are at a turning point in history, only time will tell if we prevail or fall to to the ash heap of histroy. I personally think we have a ways more to go before we collapse or are taken over.

[Marauder359]

Yes, England and Spain were in the coalition in Iraq... but is that why they're having issues?

No.

The reasons all of western europe is having arab/muslim issues are pretty simple: They allowed a huge segment of immigration from regions of the world where radical Islam dominates, they didn't then assimilate them, they're ghettoized, and eventually radicalized.

The US may take in a lot of people, but we're much better at assimilation.

And, for those folks keeping score at home, that's perhaps the ultimate cost of allowing 12,000,000+ illegals who have no apparent intention of assimilation to remain here legally. Once assimilation is no longer the basic mandate of the society, you run the risk of creating factions the likes of which we have never seen... or at least not in the last 150 years.

[BlueOvals]

To assimilate there has to be a willingness or at least a future intent to do so. If people come to this country, or others, and tenaciously cling to the culture of their former homeland to the point they refuse to learn the dominant language of their new home, as most illegals do, then there is no hope of assimilation. You have to at the most basic level learn to communicate with your "hosts". Particularly if you want jobs other than fruit picker, or urinal washer. That is their responsibility, not ours; resources are available, mostly at state cost, for Mexicans and other to learn English, but why would they do so in California, everything here is bilingual, or tri or quad or in S.F. where BB is near, you can vote in an American election in about 7 different languages, Chinese, Arabic, Vietnamese, Spanish, Tag a log, etc, etc. Our nuts liberal society has created the seeds of destruction from within, and yes, China is waiting in the wings. If you want to stay here, learn English, the official language of all our founding documents of this Nation. Those who came in 1600-1700's were mostly from England; they created this country, rebeled against the king, and declared Independence, and paid in lots of blood to eventually be successful in that. We are not going down quietly, over run by illiterates in rags from some turd world country. We've fought in revolutions and wars before, and now we have far more resources. You can bet we conserves are armed to the friggin' teeth. It will be easy to take the libs, they mostly don't have even one gun in the house, it's against their religion. So bring on the revolution. And a Military Coupe, it is not out of the question, if it looks like a govt. in Washington, particulary a lib govt. is incapable of leadership. Obama said in a debate, for example, his first move after a nuclear attack, would be, words to the effect, that he would call in FEMA, to make sure they all had good water and food in the disaster area!! As for 95% defense, BB, that's how most wars were lost. Remember the Maginot Line in France? Did not stop the Germans, no more than cowering here at home like most libs want us to do will. The best defense is a good offence, always has been; that's WAR 101 forcrissakes!!!!!!

[saxegotha]

Originally posted by BlueOvals:
As for 95% defense, BB, that's how most wars were lost. Remember the Maginot Line in France? Did not stop the Germans, no more than cowering here at home like most libs want us to do will. The best defense is a good offence, always has been; that's WAR 101 forcrissakes!!!!!! Correct. No war was ever won by putting a head in the sand. Anyone who thinks invasion was wrong is a pussy. Take the fight to the enemy, kill him in his home, destroy his home and bury him in the burnt out hole. You liberal nuthuggers have no stomach for a fight, a real fight.