YouTube Dem debate

[BlueOvals]

Anyone catch any of that, with the freaks on You Tube asking questions of Dem candidates? I did not see the show on CNN, moderated by Anderson Cooper, I think, but heard some snipets on the radio, on a talk show, Savage. Kinda pathetic to see the caliber of candidates fielded so far (Cusinisch is a joke!!), and the caliber of questions from the folks (When are we getting our reparations?? Will you work for minimum wage as president?). We are in deep do do I'm afraid. And I hear that the Repubs will do their version on You Tube too. I've not watched much on there, mostly from stuff you guys have posted here, on cars, and some weird stuff. A good cross section of the young American electorate I guess, frightening as that is to contemplate. Getting debate fatigue, I am. Gee, and only a year and a few months to go!!!

[351driver]

I didn't see any of it, but I've heard lots of commentary about it on talk radio. Like you said, it's scary to think about the mentality of potential voters. It's even scarier that the candidates will lower themselves to that level.

I really am afraid that we could end up with Hillary or Obama or both! :eek: I just hope that a decent candidate emerges from the Republican crowd. I'm not sure who that might be. I like Fred, but I'm not convinced yet that he's Presidential material. I am convinced that he would be better than the Democrat front-runners, but then, who wouldn't be?

[Marauder359]

Those trailing in the Democratic field.

[BlueOvals]

You mean like Dodd and Richardson? What happened to Biden? Did he drop out? Is Bloomberg still a potential as Indy? I actually would vote for a Lieberman if the repubs don't show something stronger. Huckaby is a long shot but I like him better than Rudy, for now. Actually, like Denny said, anyone but the two Dems; that would be disaster for the country. And they'd shut down this section as "hate speech"; the fascists!!

[Marauder359]

Yeah, Biden is still there, still pleading for rational thought on Iraq. You have to give him credit for being the only person out there with a plan for Iraq that isn't cut and run or the status quo.

[burninbush]

Yeah, Biden is still there, still pleading for rational thought on Iraq. You have to give him credit for being the only person out there with a plan for Iraq that isn't cut and run or the status quo.

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Ain't democracy grand? At some point, a candidate has to give a nod to his/her constituents, what they [voters] might want done. And right now, a growing sentiment, Americans want us out of Iraq sooner rather than later. Biden is a nice guy but he doesn't represent many voters, no more likely than Kucinich or Ron Paul to get his party's nomination.

[Marauder359]

Well, friend, here's a new bulletin for you: None of them represent any of the constituents aside from Kucinich who wants out now... just like the American people you reference. The rest of them mock the American people and have approval ratings lower than GWB as a result.

Biden is being an adult. The rest of the democrats want it both ways. They want to allegedly be against the war and for the troops to come home, but they don't actually want to bring the troops home.

How do I know that?

Simple... They have a majority of both houses of congress. The war would be over tomorrow if they simply told Bush no more money was ever coming for it. Bush would be forced to use his remaining funding for removal of the force. Period.

But have Democrats done that?

And apparently you need to listen to a bit more of your news hour, if you actually think any of them other than Kucinich and Richardson want out. Every single other candidate wants to leave American troops in Iraq, simply with a different mission... Somehow that mission is going to be against Al Qaeda only. Wonder how they're going to tell them from the rest................

Oh yeah... they're not.

Like I say, at least Biden is being an honest adult, instead of a petulent child like the rest of the leftists running.

[BlueOvals]

I agree, as a former Dem, Biden has a long history of being at the very least, "adult"; the rest are either children or morons in the Dem camp. God help us!!

[burninbush]

Biden is being an adult. The rest of the democrats want it both ways. They want to allegedly be against the war and for the troops to come home, but they don't actually want to bring the troops home.>marauder

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Well -- I don't know what you are hearing from Biden that is so different from what I'm hearing -- his only point of distinction in the debate was that the removal can't be physically accomplished in the time frame that the others want.

Which may or may not be the true situation -- it certainly didn't take us a year to get into the country. We routinely expect people to evacuate New Orleans or south Florida pretty quickly.

I don't hear any of the Demos saying we should just continue dubya's Iraq policies; contrast that with the Repub candidates [excluding Ron Paul].

The House voted 399 - 24 yesterday to ban any permanent US bases in Iraq. I'm expecting the main revolution to occur in September -- when the admin seems certain to request yet more time to turn yet another corner. Maybe dubya has another magic-fix general in the queue.

[Marauder359]

Define permanent. If we left South Korea tomorrow the bases we'd established there 50 years ago wouldn't be permanent, now would they?

Maybe you should listen to your candidates in more than 30 second soundbites that these ridiculous "debates" can showcase... because Biden isn't remotely talking about leaving Iraq like the other Democrats, and even the other Democrats aren't talking about leaving Iraq like you think they are.

Estimates for withdrawl to the borders or the "over the horizon" strategy of Hillary would still require almost 100,000 troops on the ground in Iraq... Is that what you thought they meant by bringing the troops home?

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Yeah... didn't think so.

Not only that, but those strategies almost all require our troops to once again go behind the walls of bases and sit there until called out into deployments within the community in search of the Al Qaeda needle in the arab haystack of Iraq...

Maybe you should actually pay attention to more than the soundbites from your leftists, racist.

[ July 26, 2007, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: Marauder359 ]

[BlueOvals]

I think the dirty little truth the Dem candidates are holding close to their vests, except a few that seem more reasoned and show their "adultness", like maybe Lieberman (really a Dem but also an Indy thinker), is that there is no way they will cut and run, like the "moron lib on the street", or on the Internet, as this showed, would like them to do. End of story. I wish there was an easy way out, but, like someone said: "that is war; we'll have to fight hard to win". From a great Japanese movie "Heaven and Earth", set in the 16th century during a period of their civil wars.

[BlueOvals]

I hear where Rudy and Mit are opting out of the UTube fiasco debates for the repubs due to "scheduling" conflicts; yeah right. Mc Amnesty and Paul are still in though, woo hoo! Can't blame them, R&M, all the lib whackos would come out with "why do you hate the poor", and "do you like to bomb babies" questions!!

[ZWHEELS]

i saw the repeat. yes it was silly but nothing like this has happend befor. you know wingnuts asking the the questions to the zipper heads on stage.

[BlueOvals]

Yeah, Z, wingnuts and zipper heads; pretty much sums up the whole political process. And we got both kinds in both parties, gods help us!!!

[Marauder359]

So say we all.