DOREE PART 2- 1972 SQUIRE

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  1. andrewok1

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    that's the way I received them, yea super condition , I was shocked when I found them for sale,
    wasn't going to pass them up , they were not cheap ,....
     
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    Now the question needs to be ( What five speed is the one to use behind a nice 351C ? ) Andy is going to a lot of effort to build a unique Ranchero so any input that helps him build it bullet proof would be great before he sinks a ton of money into weak parts. My worrys are that if he chooses the wrong trans. he could end up like a friend who melted input shafts in his Mustang five speeds behind a heated up 5.0 engine. Are there any affordable five speeds that are up to the torque a good Cleveland can produce ?
     
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    I'd speak up, but I know diddly. However, wouldn't a T-56 6-speed (yeah, yeah, I know, but just go with it for now) fit the bill, as the engines it's bolted to are up in the 250-500 HP region? And if so, would he want to use a standard T-5 bellhousing, or go for an SFI-spec shield bellhousing?
     
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    this is the way to go FOR high torque tolerances .. .....TKO /LOWER TORQUE T-5
    TKO 5-Speed Rear-Wheel Drive Manual Transmission
    Home > Aftermarket > Products > TKO

    TREMEC’s TKO series of 5-speed transmissions was first made famous by the 5-liter Mustang movement and has since been fitted into nearly every rear-wheel drive performance application imaginable.

    Far and away the most versatile 5-speed on the market, the TKO offers an impressive array of flexibility features – including multiple shifter locations, mounting configurations, gearing options, and speedometer pickups (electric and mechanical).

    Serving up 600 lb-ft of torque capacity, along with confidence-inspiring shifts and fuel-saving overdrive, the TKO offers an ideal blend of brute strength and street manners – which may be why it’s the manual transmission behind more boulevard-bruising street machines and sportsman race victories than all of its competitors combined.

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    Introduced in the early 1980's, the T-5 has become a highly evolved, extremely compact and versatile 5-speed. In its rich history, the T-5 has been installed as original equipment in a variety of vehicles, from pick-up trucks and SUV's to the fun to drive 5.0 Mustang.

    Today, the T-5 still enjoys life as an original equipment unit in several overseas applications, while continuing to gain popularity in hot rod and performance markets. Dollar-for-dollar, pound-for-pound, the T-5 is the smoothest-shifting, and most reliable manual transmission for moderate horsepower applications.

    Easily accepting up to 300 lb-ft of torque, the TREMEC T-5 is not only durable, but offers easy operation and a deep overdrive – making any hot rod, street car, or kit car more enjoyable to drive.

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    • Our most compact transmission
    • 300 lb-ft. of torque capacity
    • Extremely lightweight; just 75 lbs. dry!
    • Ideal for moderate horsepower builds where space is limited
    • Excellent drivability with light shift effort, smooth shift quality
    • Exceptional fuel savings with 0.63:1 overdrive
    • A favorite of many weekend cruisers, street-rodders, and kit car enthusiasts
     
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  5. handy_andy_cv64

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    One thing's for sure...you'll be able to regear to a steeper ratio out back.
     
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    Iam going to run T5 world class,only because Iam to tight to buy TKO...3.70 gears.
     
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    I've read in Mustang mags my brother has had that the Doug Nash and World Class T-5s are about equal. Any truth to that?
     
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    Got me a five speed today , I checked first with our resident guru,before pulling the trigger
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  9. 1965 Ranchero 66G

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    And this is what this forum is about, not that donut a.. h..l
     
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    Hey, Andrew, if that flywheel has a 164-tooth gear, I think you can use a PMGR starter with it. I put one from a 351 W truck setup in Babe, and wired it up using the complete cable harness out of a late '90s 4.0 Exploder. Every thing fit, the cables reached without mods, and it works beautifully.
     
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    its from a 302- i understand the 302 flywheel is 50 oz, 351-c needs 28 oz .so i will buy new, flywheel,clutch ,pressure-plate as well
     
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    Well, you're running a 351C, right? IIRC, the 50 ounce 302 flywheel has a 164-tooth ring gear, so it should work. But, don't forget the separator plate on the engine.
     
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    He will need a 157 tooth 28 oz flywheel to use the bell housing that came with the tranny
     
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    Nice!5.0 bell should work.Search for 28oz 157 flywheel that will accept 11" disc with diaphragm cover.More better.Roller pilot bearing,and
    correct slip yoke.You may have to relocate tranny cross member rearward a schose and shorten twist tube.Town car drive shaft was perfect
    with AOD swap.Are you going to use OE z-bar,or hydraulic linkage?
     
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    Ah. I had it mixed up, But if that flywheel was used into the mid-'90s, they would've had PMGR starters for them
     
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    LS, he will have to do a bit of cross-breeding as this trans used a cable to pull the throw out bearing arm forward instead of pushing the arm to the rear like most Z-Bar linkages do. I think I would rig an external slave cylinder to push the arm forward. Like used on F-350 trucks with the ZF series five speeds.
     
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    Actually, if it's cable-operated, could a Fox pedal setup be retrofittable? I remember that the clutch pedal had a nice feature, that the cable and pedal adjusted simply by pulling up on the pedal.
     
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    Not sure OE Z bar or hydraulic sety up ,
    i am open for thoughts of others
     
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    i found this INFORMATION on MUSTANGS AND MORE SITE ,http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/011570.html

    The factory 86 & newer 5.0 Mustangs used a 10 1/2" diaghrapm clutch, but they also had 3 dowel pins, that the early flywheels don`t have. When I converted my 78 Fairmont`s 302, which is also 28 oz imbalance, from a C4 to a T5, I used a later 50 oz 10 1/2 flywheel, & just had it rebalanced to the 28 oz imbalance.I took my stock 28 oz flexplate, & a 50 oz flywheel that I bought from a wrecking yard from a 89 Mustang, & took them to a local engine balancing shop. They were able to match them up easily.The stock 86 & newer flywheels are easy to find, and normally quite cheap. I also used a clutch cable from a 78-79 FOX Fairmont, which is adjustable at the bellhousing end, and a 88 bellhousing, along with a stock type clutch
     
  20. LSChero

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    Great idea Hillbilly!Ill have to root around the yards see if I can find the truck hydraulic clutch system.
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